ABS vs. No ABS series reboot

Anti-lock brakes prevent certain dangerous situations on the road, but is this system really keeping you safe?
Several years have passed since my original ABS vs no ABS series, and I'm glad there's still room for discussion about this.

Please leave your opinion and/or personal experience down below!

Also, please remember not only to drive safe, but also to drive smart!


LINKS:

IIHS statement about ABS: www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/crash-avoidance-technologies/qanda#antilock-brakes

NHTSA about ABS:
www.nhtsa.gov/Research/ci.Light+Vehicle+Antilock+Brake+Systems+(ABS)+Research+Program.print


- JulesTEO

Comments

    • ToyotaGR
      ToyotaGR

      Yes lethal crashes have increased since abs is giving more confidence but lethal crashes usually happen on country roads wich abs can't help much like villages a car swerves on the oncoming lane...

      about 6 days ago
    • Random Channel
      Random Channel

      If you know your cars limit then you dont need abs for most instances BUT
      When talking about two different surfaces with different traction levels then you DO NEED ABS

      about 23 days ago
    • smiley45tp
      smiley45tp

      Abs saved my life the other day.

      about 2 months ago
    • Abdullah Kharfan
      Abdullah Kharfan

      My car doesn’t have ABS system and I have never known that ABS system prevent the car from sliding and I had really a though time with winter but It never slides on snow although my dad’s car 2016 slides and almost crashes and it has ABS system and ESC lol what’s going on I’m totally confused so what better to drive with on snow ABS or Non-ABS 😶

      about 3 months ago
    • Vereker Tam
      Vereker Tam

      LOL, all of a sudden, every driver is an expert at braking. Even top notch Formula One drivers lock up, but yet all you guys must be better at driving than paid professionals driving million dollar racecars.

      about 5 months ago
    • smiley45tp
      smiley45tp In reply to Vereker Tam

      Vereker Tam exactly lol most ppl will slam on the brakes. Abs system came in handy for me like two days ago forgot i had it.

      about 2 months ago
    • Samuel Parviainen
      Samuel Parviainen

      The thing that many people forget is that when you lock your brakes you lose grip to every direction. Atleast here in finland i wouldnt ever drive a car without abs because in winter locking up your tires in variable road conditions means that the car will easily spin while braking and on a banked road locking up might result in slipping sideways into the ditch on the side of the road. But thats just my opinion and you are fully entitled to your own.

      about 5 months ago
    • youtubeuser9927
      youtubeuser9927

      Although it is apparently a rare type of failure, I've driven vehicles where the ABS malfunctioned (the sensor was 'tricked' into perceiving a lock up) and it effectively turned the brakes off, on dry pavement/'normal' braking which was a pretty terrible experience. Lucky nobody hurt. Pulling the fuse got it back to normal until the speed sensor could be replaced. It's not infallible.

      I've also experienced issues on snow/gravel, and in snow I much rather have it off in some cases.

      Overall I understand it has its place. Most people really don't understand how the systems in their cars work (frankly not a bad thing most the time, they just need it to work, understanding optional) but with something like braking its worth it to understand.

      about 7 months ago
    • scottthewaterwarrior
      scottthewaterwarrior In reply to youtubeuser9927

      youtubeuser9927 I wonder if the ABS systems in some cars work differently then? In our old minivan one of the ABS sensors broke, and the car still stopped just fine. At low speed the pedal would vibrate and you could here the ABS, but there wasn't any noticeable decrease in brake power. We never even bothered to fix it!
      Though I guess it did eventually have trouble stopping, but that is because the brake lines rusted out, and this was long after the ABS system failed entirely.

      about 7 months ago
    • Mrcloc
      Mrcloc

      2:48 - Because my car is expensive and will defy the laws of physics.

      about 8 months ago
    • Derrick Williams
      Derrick Williams

      Good video. Im from NY and I disable my abs because of the snow driving. With good snow tires and training locking wheels allows for the tires to dig in and I've always felt safer stopping that way.

      about 10 months ago
    • Mohamed Mamdouh
      Mohamed Mamdouh In reply to Derrick Williams

      maybe this can be resolved by programming the ABS to stop interfering with the brakes at speeds less than 10 or 15 miles...

      about 5 months ago
    • youtubeuser9927
      youtubeuser9927 In reply to Derrick Williams

      Derrick Williams Especially at low speed or with one tire hitting a quick patch of ice I have found that ABS in the snow actually increased stopping distance rather then helped in a few instances, and it's actually more predictable to intentionally be able to lock the wheels when you have a sense of how the snow itself will slow you down.

      about 7 months ago
    • stErFry
      stErFry

      Abs is dumb because it basically gives you NO control over your brakes, "oh you pressed the brakes? Nope we're going to apply less brake power in the WORST SITUATIONS"

      about 11 months ago
    • Barley Mow
      Barley Mow In reply to stErFry

      Sternalplace2 alt ABS applies full braking pressure but prevents the wheels locking, gives improved stopping distance and actually gives the driver maximum control.

      about 11 months ago
    • Endless youth
      Endless youth

      I definitely don't find it surprising that they work better in the lab. But on the road people don't drive with clear heads. And I'm sure most accidents occur because the person wasn't capable of handling the situation. Not because the breaks worked slightly different. Though, my abs just broke and driving on ice and snow is terrible. (Though I'm in the jeep) so it does help.

      about 11 months ago
    • erixx erixx
      erixx erixx

      ABS doesnt protect you form crash, it just gives u ability to control your vehicle in dangerous situations

      about 1 year ago
    • Mohamed Mamdouh
      Mohamed Mamdouh In reply to erixx erixx

      indeed... it simply mitigates the wrong application of brakes during emergence... as a driver you still have to control the car and handle the emergency situation smartly and that is what most people don't realize assuming that having ABS is a guarantee of safety

      about 5 months ago
    • ThesexyMrX
      ThesexyMrX

      dosent all cars come with ABS anyway?

      about 1 year ago
    • Mohamed Mamdouh
      Mohamed Mamdouh In reply to ThesexyMrX

      nope... in some countries they still produce cars with no ABS

      about 5 months ago
    • truth tellor
      truth tellor

      into the guard rail is why

      about 1 year ago
    • Maha maha
      Maha maha

      Good information. A myth buster. Thanks

      about 1 year ago
    • Jack Frost
      Jack Frost

      After watching dozens of Russian car crash videos, I noticed that if a driver suddenly swerves to avoid a collision, they over correct left and right until they are either sideways when being hit by head on traffic or running off the road. The problem with abs is that in that swerve situation you can't choose to lock up all wheels and slide straight down the road.If the front wheels won't lock up, where they are pointing is where you're going to go. Most drivers are not capable of correcting once a swerve begins and in this situation, abs brakes will kill you.

      about 1 year ago
    • Alarm Tech911
      Alarm Tech911 In reply to Jack Frost

      If you brake first and then swerve it will be harder to loose control

      about 8 months ago
    • Nippon Nostalgic TV
      Nippon Nostalgic TV In reply to Jack Frost

      In my earlier comment I describe such a scenario that happened to me. Skilled drivers will use brake lock up to their advantage.

      about 1 year ago
    • Anirudh Appala
      Anirudh Appala In reply to Jack Frost

      Jack Frost but they can also not turn the steering wheel and maintain the heading and possibly stop a little before they would without abs , while having opportunity to steer.

      about 1 year ago
    • vicnexxprod
      vicnexxprod

      no abs brakes faster than abs

      about 1 year ago
    • Mohamed Mamdouh
      Mohamed Mamdouh In reply to vicnexxprod

      once the wheels lock you automatically lose around half your braking power as the energy transfer from kinetic to thermal through friction between brake pads and rotors is around twice as much as friction between rubber and tarmac...

      this is why most videos promoting for ABS will tell you "it reduce braking distance by 50%" and show you a car braking with ABS along side a car braking with no ABS with an asshole standing on the brakes pedal and burning his tires to oblivion and stopping in twice the distance that the ABS car used...

      put a skilled driver in that non ABS car and let him threshold brake and he will stop in less distance than the ABS car

      about 5 months ago
    • elloprecious22
      elloprecious22 In reply to vicnexxprod

      +Darken Blade I agree 100% with you, damn abs keeps you rolling when should of stop 6ft ago!!

      about 1 year ago
    • Nippon Nostalgic TV
      Nippon Nostalgic TV In reply to vicnexxprod

      I've been saying this for years. Just to address other replies. No you are not an idiot. Locked brakes aren't "Maximum force", there's a thing called slip angle. there is an optimum amount of slip that which will generate maximum G forces which would mean maximum braking would be achieved if the wheels were turning just slightly slower than your road speed (threshold braking). ABS won't do a thing unless there is a brake lock up situation and then it will pulsate between lock up and unlocked which is way less efficient than threshold braking. The big advantage of ABS is on surfaces of uneven grip, Eg you put two wheels off the road into the gravel and brake hard and the car will pull up straight. One of my first bad experiences with ABS was travelling along a dirt road at around 100kph and coming up to a concrete bridge where I noticed a little too late that on one side there was a big pothole on the one side which left about a 30cm step up onto the concrete. My instincts dictated that i brake hard put the car sideways to wash off as much speed as possible and then release brakes and correct causing me to veer around the pothole. What actually happened was as soon as the car stared to slide sideways the ABS kicked in and the car wanted to spear off the road in the direction the car was pointing. Most ABS vehicles I drive, If I lock a wheel I instinctively release pedal pressure anyway and very rarely feel any effect from the ABS ..... It feels as if I am beating the ABS system. I have also found on loose and slippery surfaces that you have to brake on the threshold before the ABS activates otherwise deceleration is greatly reduced.

      about 1 year ago
    • Giordan Diodato
      Giordan Diodato In reply to vicnexxprod

      have fun spinning out on snow

      about 1 year ago
    • Darken Blade
      Darken Blade In reply to vicnexxprod

      not really, once the wheels lock its maximum brake force. abs prevents that and keeps it rolling, thus more brake distance

      about 1 year ago
    • Logan DeMott
      Logan DeMott

      that's why race cars don't use abs

      about 1 year ago
    • Danial Daneshmand
      Danial Daneshmand In reply to Logan DeMott

      It's not because ABS is bad that they don't use them ABS, traction control, launch control and other driving aids has been banned to play it fair and test the driver to the limits.
      In Nascar , Formula 1, IRL and other high end racing yes they don't but it is allowed in numerous other races like the Nürburgring lap times and so on.

      about 1 year ago
    • Logan DeMott
      Logan DeMott

      your car still locks with abs when turning

      about 1 year ago
    • Logan DeMott
      Logan DeMott

      it makes your brakes hotter and create more wear

      about 1 year ago
    • Mohamed Mamdouh
      Mohamed Mamdouh In reply to Logan DeMott

      for the sake of argument... no ABS will cause uneven tire wear...

      about 5 months ago
    • KEITH KUHN
      KEITH KUHN

      GOOD STUFF JULES
      I AM WITH YOU THE WHOLE WAY.
      PEOPLE HAVE NO COMMON SENSE
      KEITH KUHN

      about 1 year ago
    • supertonic3
      supertonic3

      If you're an experienced driver with the ability to achieve threshold braking, in my experience you can stop more quickly than pushing the brake to the floor and relying on ABS to modulate. However, it does depend on the vehicle, tire condition and road condition.

      I had a very memorable event where the road was very bumpy - corrugated with close and regularly spaced bumps. With my car's ABS brake setup and the speed I was traveling the modulation of the brakes was very close to the timing of the road's repeated bumps. This is my interpretation of what happened: The ABS brakes were not being applied effectively as the suspension compressed in the upward side of every bump. The timing of the brakes was exactly the inverse of what was required. The brakes would engage as the tire was traveling into the valley between the bumps when there was limited suspension compression (and low grip) resulting in a lock and then release. However that release carried over to the high points of the bumps when there would have been high grip potential with the high load. The effect was that the car hardly slowed down at all with ABS as it went over the evenly spaced bumps. Luckily I had open roadway.

      Conversely, I was driving my old Jeep Cherokee prior to ABS and distinctly remember the lack of effective braking when the right front wheel locked and the other wheels, particularly the left front wheel were still rolling along as I slid down an inclined, rain covered, polished intersection. ABS would have been a real help in that instance. Again I was very lucky. The intersection was clear in front of me.

      Lastly. My motorcycle has ABS and although it can sometime extend the stopping distance, overall it's a great benefit not to have to worry about front wheel lock and potential wash out in an extreme braking situation.

      about 1 year ago
    • Sigma Projects
      Sigma Projects In reply to supertonic3

      +ToyotaGR ABS systems are designed with how the engineers think the driver will use the car and how much grip the tires might have. For instance the early S2000s had a very aggressive ABS system that would kick in too early reducing braking performance and causing sudden lost of brake pedal feedback when driving the car at higher speeds. In the later years Honda adjusted the ABS's software so that it was much more natural giving drivers much more braking confidence and the only difference was the programming.

      Switch gears over to my car. I'm currently modifying a 2000 Honda Insight, it has a very similar ABS system to the S2000, however the ABS computer is programmed with very little traction in mind, which is good if the car is in stock form. The 2000 Honda Insight came with skinny eco tires and it was very easy to lose traction, thus the ABS system was very aggressive to help drivers not lock up the wheels. However, my Insight is no longer stock and has a much higher grip potential. So when driving quickly and one wheel slips slightly the ABS system kicks in letting go of all the brakes and not only that it cuts regenerative braking so you end up losing a ton of braking potential very suddenly. It's way too aggressive for my current setup. With ABS disabled under the same situation I'm able to maintain control and braking because even though one tire may lose a little bit of traction the other wheels have more than enough grip to slow the car down and keep everything under control. Also it's not progressive, it's almost an on/off switch feeling which makes it quite unpredictable.

      Again this isn't a fault of ABS, but the changes to my car that no longer follow the same programming mindset for a car with very little traction. I'm looking into the possibility of swapping the ABS computer between the Insight and the S2000 so that the ABS is not overly active.

      about 6 days ago
    • ToyotaGR
      ToyotaGR In reply to supertonic3

      +Sigma Projects why disable it that won't change anything if you use abs during braking that means you press to much the brake pedal.... So if you disengage it it will make your wheels lock threshold braking is on the limit before lock wich abs doesn't kick in

      about 6 days ago
    • Sigma Projects
      Sigma Projects In reply to supertonic3

      Yep, I just wish there was a way to dial in sensitivity. My car was designed with eco tires in mind and I think the ABS is adjusted for that level of traction. Couple that with a stiffer suspension and if you're braking and one wheel lifts it cuts the brakes, not fun. But I don't want to disable it, but I may have to in certain situations.

      about 5 months ago
    • Mohamed Mamdouh
      Mohamed Mamdouh In reply to supertonic3

      threshold braking is way more efficient than ABS that's for sure... but it requires a skill that the average driver lack also full lock is usually induced by panic in an emergency situation which is - again - a common reflex for an average driver

      in other words: ABS is just correcting the average driver's panic reflex during braking

      about 5 months ago
    • Sigma Projects
      Sigma Projects In reply to supertonic3

      Supertonic3,
      That's the issue I'm having with ABS as well. I wish I could find a solution.

      about 6 months ago
    • Ranger J
      Ranger J

      There's no problem with Abs. Abs is one of the best safety devices on a vehicle. The problem is ppl. Ppl are undereducated on abs. By a new car Sign papers and off you go with no instructions. And ppl don't read the manual. And then there's the ppl that know about abs that become driving "geniuses" when driving. Ppl need to drive responsibly. Abs isn't there to help a driving maniac. It's there for a safety device for normal driving. Ppl need to Wise up

      about 1 year ago
    • Eduardogears52
      Eduardogears52 In reply to Ranger J

      Jw people should be teatched how to brake without locking tires on no abs and the going to abs

      about 1 year ago
    • Wayne Shen
      Wayne Shen In reply to Ranger J

      Jw ABs

      about 1 year ago
    • Nijsten Rijvaardigheid
      Nijsten Rijvaardigheid

      I train young drivers almost daily in handling emergency situations in their own cars. Some have older cars without abs and some have cars with abs. The difference in how they perform in avoidance and stopping exercises is enormous. Sometimes they drive each others cars and truly feel the difference in having abs or not. They all choose the car with abs.

      Abs improves almost every situation where you apply the brakes and only has a couple of downsides.

      Abs will start working when one of your tires locks up. This does not mean that you are using the full potential your tires are providing you. For instance when you hit a very small piece of ice or a wet leaf while braking, it could make your tire lock up and your abs engages. But due to a lack of education around the use of the abs system hardly anyone applies enough pressure to fully use the grip in your tires. With abs you need much more force than without while braking.

      With abs your front tires are linked together while braking and your rear tires are aswell. this means that when you are driving with one side on snow and the other on tarmac that your car will never decelerate more than the grip the tires on snow have. But it does stay stable and controlable. A car without abs would start spinning but stop in a shorter distance than a car with abs. But if you need to regain control or stabilize the spinning car without abs, you need to let go of the brakes and lengthening your stopping distance.

      As for the amount of accidents with or without abs. There have been a lot of studies within europe about this question and they all favour abs over non abs with a big difference. abs has been mandatory on new cars since 2004 here. Insurance companies will give you lower rates if your car has abs. And their own figures tell us a lot about the benefits of having systems like abs, esp, blis, lane assist, adaptive cruise control, auto stop, city safety, etc

      about 1 year ago
    • Mohamed Mamdouh
      Mohamed Mamdouh In reply to Nijsten Rijvaardigheid

      sure thing... an ABS car requires less skills to control under emergency situations thus would be a more favorable option for most drivers... unfortunately in most cases this gives a false feel of"extra safety" and drivers tend to drive carelessly or at least being lazy behind the wheel

      about 5 months ago
    • Rene .Lem
      Rene .Lem

      I bought the car in spring and went thru summer and fall without knowing I had ABS.I have been driving for over 30 years and I've never seen a car with so little braking power on ice and snow. Now I have to make sure the ABS does not kick in otherwise I don't know if I'll be braking on time.

      about 1 year ago
    • Mohamed Mamdouh
      Mohamed Mamdouh In reply to Rene .Lem

      in some cases it is better for a tire to lock and dig deep to gain grip rather than to keep rolling... this is probably what you are experiencing here and it is one of ABS drawbacks

      about 5 months ago
    • Mr Pudding
      Mr Pudding

      oh my god u just wasted my time

      about 2 years ago
    • Danial Daneshmand
      Danial Daneshmand In reply to Mr Pudding

      seriously how?

      about 1 year ago
    • metalmoto
      metalmoto

      I totally agree with you! I don't like ABS myself. Mainly because on my Chevy Astro Van, the ABS would activate over bumps and pot holes. Almost causing me to rear end other cars, on many occasions. Also you are correct about loosing steering in a skid. But I found it much worse with front wheel drive cars, without ABS. With a rear wheel driven car, you can counter-steer. But this does not work on front wheel drive cars. ABS was first used on BMW motorcycles, where it's use was quite dramatic, and keeps the motorcycle upright.
      I know own a Jeep without ABS, and I am quite happy with it. Lastly, ABS will not work on 4 wheel drive vehicles. Not to be confused with ALL WHEEL DRIVE, which is much different. ABS is good for inexperienced drivers and driving in rain and snow. Also, ABS will not work when a brake like bursts and loss of brake fluid occurs. I've experienced this first hand, not long ago. And during this brake failure, counter-steering saved me from a serious accident and injury.

      about 2 years ago
    • scottthewaterwarrior
      scottthewaterwarrior In reply to metalmoto

      If the front wheels loose traction on ANY vehicle you will loose steering! Doesn't matter if it is RWD, FWD, 4WD, or AWD, unless it is a forklift or something, the front wheels are what steer the vehicle!

      Also if two of your brake lines burst, of course ABS isn't going to help, you have no brakes to begin with!

      about 7 months ago
    • Giordan Diodato
      Giordan Diodato In reply to metalmoto

      countering with a rear-drive vehicle doesn't work.

      about 1 year ago
    • B24Fox
      B24Fox In reply to metalmoto

      Can't help but feel that while Traction Control & especially ESP, are absolutely wonderful to have on any vehicle... ABS on the other hand is a very "unpolished" technology... despite being actually the oldest of the three. So it shouldn't still be sh!t.
      From my knowledge, on the Astra H, ESP is dependent on ABS.. so i can't pull the fuse without loosing it as well.. :-/ And ESP actually saved my life a couple of times..
      The thing that pisses me the most, is that (at least on my car) sometimes (while in near identical situations) ABS seems to behave different. It doesn't always leave me near-brakeless when one side momentarily looses traction.
      I think that HOW MUCH traction it momentarily looses, is the deciding factor in: if it will restore the normal braking.. or not.
      It would be cool if the ABS computer could be switched to a less aggressive setting.

      about 2 years ago
    • metalmoto
      metalmoto In reply to metalmoto

      You can remove the fuse for your ABS. A warning light will show on your dashboard. But your brakes will still work normally, as they do without ABS. However, if you have to get a yearly safety inspection, like me. Just replace the fuse, before you take it for inspection.
      I considered installing a switch, inline with the fuse, so I could turn the ABS off, especially in dry nice weather conditions. I sold my van shortly after 2 metal brake lines burst, lost my brakes completely!
      Luckily avoiding a bad accident. My new vehicle does not have ABS, traction control etc. And I am happy with it!

      about 2 years ago
    • B24Fox
      B24Fox In reply to metalmoto

      That's the exact behavior that my Opel Astra H also has. (Also a GM Car)
      ABS activates very aggressively if a wheel looses traction even for a split second, and it pretty much leaves me brakeless for as long as i keep the pedal pressed.
      Had 4 front collisions in this car because of this issue :-\

      P.S. Dan TheOracle is a moron.

      about 2 years ago
    • Cristian Sla
      Cristian Sla

      Right :) I want to see you on winter without abs...

      about 3 years ago
    • Mohamed Mamdouh
      Mohamed Mamdouh In reply to Cristian Sla

      you will see him driving very sensibly and in full alert mode because he has no illusions that ABS is a free ticket to safety... people tend to do that mistake and then crash and this is the whole point of the video

      no one said ABS is useless... we are only saying that people wrongly interpret its purpose, it is a safety device not a miracle maker so you still have to drive sensibly and be alert

      about 5 months ago
    • Nippon Nostalgic TV
      Nippon Nostalgic TV In reply to Cristian Sla

      you're missing the point

      about 1 year ago
    • MITSU TUTUTU
      MITSU TUTUTU

      good presentation and data.

      about 3 years ago