See the full 2019 Frankia Motorhomes models and specification, with MMM's Dave Hurrell

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    • Michael Dawson
      Michael Dawson

      One thing I can't hope comes fast enough is a full electric MH. Imagine full electric with around 400 miles range or even 300 miles would do as who would mind charging while having a cup of tea in such a nice accommodation. Motor Homes and EV just make so much sense. After all a MH spends most of its time stationary connected to electricity and the reduced maintenance and transmission complexity would be a dream.
      Personally I cannot wait until the EV revolution takes off past 2020 for commercial vehicles as EV motorhomes will then just appear :-)

      about 1 month ago
    • Michael Dawson
      Michael Dawson In reply to Michael Dawson

      +byteme9718 Yep I agree. Its all about the batteries. You guess I don't like manual ICE vehicles. I drive a Hybrid at the moment a CH-R and I love it. Would love it more if it was full EV though. My lease is on a 4 year company car scheme.
      Once EV's become commodity then most of the expensive bespoke components will become cheaper and they should if built right last a very long time. No moving parts mostly compared to traditional machines.
      Plus fixing an EV should be quite simple in comparison. I used to fix mechanical telephone exchanges and to be honest the digital ones are easier :-)

      about 5 days ago
    • byteme9718
      byteme9718 In reply to Michael Dawson

      +Michael Dawson It's not rocket science, its just a different application for existing tried and trusted technology that had been around since cars powered by before IC engines were common. It's also been very reliable, even with Nissan although JLR seemed to have dropped a bollock but then again that was expected. Expect some huge announcements with respect to JLR in the near future both from them and the dealer networks. Mismanagement of both assured their inevitable failure some years ago. Something will be salvaged but in a very different form.


      You have a very long lease, what's changed since you took on your current car? I have off road parking and a Tesla would be fine for me most days, in fact if my company said that was my only choice I'd be happy with that and perhaps that's something governments should mandate. I'm not against EV, my objection is being pushed into something that is not viable for the wrong reasons. It would work for me, for my job and I would gladly have a Tesla if as an incentive I could have something equivalent with no company car tax being applied. For that I could even ignore the huge negative effects of EV cars on the wider environment.


      EV doen't tick all the boxes but it could be viable if we started to build tens of thousand on windmills or install millions of panels on solar farms backed up by lots of nuclear power stations because sometimes neither are effective. Your steam engine analogy is misguided, steam engines weren't killed off by the efficiency of the steam part but by the massive innefficiency and maintenance required to raise and maintain it.


      Skyactive X is just one of a number of technologies but you have to admit it's a clever concept and although delayed if Mazda do go ahead with its a brave step. If it delivers as promised it will instantly have a huge benefit to both the user and environment. The cost of developing this will have run in to hundreds of millions (at least) so this is not a last ditch attempt to extend their plants, it's where they see the future is heading.


      Quieter? No, except at very low speeds. Tyres generate the most noise. Faster? No, although achieving more rapid acceleration is easier. More torque? Yes, the kind that has caught some manufacturers out as it causes components shared with common platforms to fail as well as specific EV transmission systems. Last longer? Why would a manufacturer want that even is an expanding market? The current ten year life cycle is unlikely to change so battery life will be developed around that for the car market. Simpler to maintain? Only for a specialist with all of the equipment to diagnose faults on all parts of the vehicle that sit alongside the drive system. HVAC for instance. Home fuelling? I covered that before. EVs are needed most in inner cities where it's most difficult to charge them. Few have the luxury of off road parking. Better handling? Are you kidding? I have a 1970s supercar that even a cheap modern hatchback will outhandle as the ESP works continually to compensate for even the poorest driver, The days of poor handling cars are long gone.


      The motorhome EV concept would seem to have some advantage based on the profile you suggested althought not how I've used them where travel has been the priority. The problem I would suggest is the greater cost now (and for the foreseeable future) and the obselence of parts that will no doubt be coded to a specific vehicle There will never be a cost saving in respect of EVs and my guess is there will be a move toward near straight line depreciation based on useable life. That's fine for those who lease new vehicles but not those who can only afford basic transport. It will also cause a problem to motorhome owners as the high cost of purchase can be justfied by their high residual values throughout successive owners. If at nine years a £10k inverter is required what are you going to do, scrap or buy in the sure and certain knowledge that will add nothing to the value of the vehicle. I agree when you point out the technology (for the most part) is reliable but the development and production costs either go on the purchase price or are amortised later through massive mark ups on parts that are increasingly only available through the vehicle manufacturer. These tend not to be metal parts that can be reproduced around the world but electronic units marked up a hundred times over. Parts that no manfacturer will have any interest in supply for longer than they're obliged to.

      about 5 days ago
    • Michael Dawson
      Michael Dawson In reply to Michael Dawson

      +byteme9718 I agree everyone else is playing catch up to Tesla however putting electric motors on a chassis is not rocket science for any of them. Its the battery tech to make it practical. However where Tesla does appear to have the edge is on their autonomy capability as they have the most data for the A.I to work with. Autonomy is a different topic though with its own implications.
      Tesla has a unique position in the market at the moment having control over their own battery production to some degree albeit at the behest of Panasonic. Also with their purchase of Maxwell Tech they will further advance on the competition around battery efficiency. Tesla electric motors are also much more efficient than the current competition helping their efficiency and performance. For sure I would buy a Tesla in a heartbeat but I have a lease until 2023 but then I will buy an EV as the choice will be larger than it is today. Maybe by 2023 battery production will have been resolved. Its early days.
      VAG appear to have made good progress though and so has JLR here in Europe but the real innovation will come from Asia.
      I don't like the EV idea for any green agenda but more from it being a more practical platform.
      What will happen is there will be an EV MH option sooner than later and demand will drive supply.
      Regards the Mazda Skyactive X its still an ICE a last ditch attempt to extend their old production plants. Sure there are many ways to make a super efficient ICE but why bother when EV tick all the boxes. Quieter, Faster, More torque, Simpler to maintain, Last longer, Home fueling, better handling due to low centre of gravity of mass (battery). They produced some excellent steam trains just as Diesel was becoming popular but this did not stop the demise of steam and ICE is the new steam.
      Just this revolution will happen so fast less than 10 years.

      about 5 days ago
    • byteme9718
      byteme9718 In reply to Michael Dawson

      +Michael Dawson This technology will not come from car manufacturers as there's not one that has the resources to develop it. Tesla are a special case partly due to massive subsidies and there's the odd thing. IF IC cars are such a problem and IF EV are so important then why are governmentsaround the world giving the matter such low priority? If you were to believe even a fraction of the hype about damage to the environment a 25% increase in fuel duty would be a small price to pay to fund reseach into battery technology and fuel cells and to begin to put in place inductive charging loops in inner city parking areas that could be accessed for an appropriate fee, equivalent perhaps to the cost of fuelling a conventional IC car. There's more money in climate change research and more political gain to be had by filling us with fear than doing something that has a benefit. IC engines have some way to go, the Mazda Skyactive X is just one possible direction and should be in cars later this year.

      about 5 days ago
    • Michael Dawson
      Michael Dawson In reply to Michael Dawson

      +byteme9718 Easy but you don't have to be condescending using the word 'fantasy' describing my opinion for what is in fact becoming a reality. Global ICE sales are down. EV sales are increasing and will increase at an ever faster rate as the cost of an EV comes close to that of a Diesel, something VAG themselves propose for their forthcoming EV sales.
      When VW’s new electric car passes 10,000 orders in just 24 hours does this not set off any alarm bells as to what is happening.
      https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/09/volkswagens-new-electric-idpoint3-car-passes-10000-orders-in-24-hours.html
      When in the history of ICE car production did anyone pre order 10, 000 units in 24 hours. EV is what the market wants and for sure the suppliers will find a way to sell to you.

      They will just Tax electricity or the use of the vehicle. If you live in the UK you will be familiar how creative our Tax system can be at screwing us. I will agree with you that it is predominantly the Tax on fuel that makes it high cost.
      However my interest in an EV MH is more around the practicality that a large battery would provide the user and the more relaxing the driving experience especially when combined with advanced autonomy features. It will widen the appeal of the MH to an audience that currently sees them as difficult to drive and expensive to run. All that will change once the commercial fleets adopt EV / autonomous delivery systems.
      Out of interest who was advising you that EV commercials will not be practical I am very interested ?


      This is a real irritation for you I can see that for sure :-) But we all have our views and this if nothing else is a good debate that maybe some other readers can contribute to both sides of the discussion as it will be very interesting to gauge the wider publics view on this debate.

      about 5 days ago