Episode 31 PART 1 - EV News and Coverage from Canadian International Auto Show

February 14 2019

Some news stories along with looks at VW and Hyundai - Part 1 of 2 Episodes.

TIMESTAMPS:
Starting Credits: 00:00
Intro: 00:15
News Stories:
KBB Awards Nissan Leaf Best EV for 5-Year TCO: 00:42
Rivian In Talks With Amazon and GM: 02:40
Rivian Sales Projections: 06:40
CIAS Coverage:
VW I.D. Crozz Reveal: 08:57
VW Interview with Thomas: 13:49
Hyundai Kona EV Quick Look: 21:23
End of Part 1: 22:44
Contact Information/Patreon Thank You's/End Credits: 23:00

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Comments

    • Mike Carter
      Mike Carter

      Went into VW dealer 2 months ago - no EVs. Same deal 2 days ago. They are on a boat somewhere? The reality is that except for Tesla, Bolt, and Leaf there are few if any BEVs actually available (California). I am glad all these companies have great plans or cars selling in Norway, but I've been hearing the hype for years (first hybrid 2001) and the song is the same. Like Elon Musk says, "it is really difficult to build an inexpensive electric car". The car companies lose $ on these vehicles, and that is why you can't get them. The end of incentives will make that situation worse. If fossil cars had their environmental damage priced into them, the EVs would sell better.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Mike Carter

      Hi yea I get it too. I discuss this on my next show coming out today.

      about 4 months ago
    • Mike Carter
      Mike Carter In reply to Mike Carter

      @EV Revolution OK, I sort of understand what you are trying to say. But let's take your fave Kia Niro EV as an example. U.S. Kia website says coming to US at end of 2018. Kia has been making EVs for years, so not new. Calif. is in their initial delivery area. Dealers were telling me April-May a few weeks ago; now Kia is suggesting delays of many months or even up to a year according to some sources. All without a single car being sold here, so not due to demand (I have been told battery issues and labor problems - don't believe latter) So the "end of 2018" is hype, in my book. It has not been corrected on website.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Mike Carter

      Hi Mike, we share your comments as well. It's timing right now, as the interest and seemingly uptake in demand is outweighing the reality of inventories for many manufacturers. Most of them are newer to EVs and only now starting to produce some models. Just like Tesla in 2012 and Nissan in 2010, it will take a year or so for the others to streamline processes, supply chains and efforts to bring more product to showrooms and dealer lots. None of this is hype, it is happening. It's just happening because that is the way it starts. Tesla did not build 500,000 model S's to start with when they launched, so don't expect that from anyone else.

      about 4 months ago
    • kevin n
      kevin n

      2 yrs for the first VW Crozz in Canada? UGH. What a joke....

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to kevin n

      Hi thanks for watching. I wish it was sooner but that is VW reality.

      about 4 months ago
    • Doug H. Nuts
      Doug H. Nuts

      That VW salesman was a doucher. I bet he sounds like a commercial every time he talks.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Doug H. Nuts

      Hi Doug, appreciate you watching and I almost deleted your post. Please be more respectful next time you comment about somebody. I think Thomas was very energetic and excited about what VW is bringing to market. I've spoken with him before and he is a very nice person.

      about 4 months ago
    • You Tuber
      You Tuber

      Wow Ken, your a really impressive interviewer.

      You speak clearly, know your stuff, put your interviewee at ease, not umm'ing and err'ing all over the place and are quick with responses when you have something off script thrown at you!

      Great job man.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to You Tuber

      Hi YT, much thanks I really appreciate the feedback. Some people tell me I'm too easy on the interviewee's! I try to make it a pleasant experience for all.

      about 4 months ago
    • Daniel Conescu
      Daniel Conescu

      Hey Ken,


      Great video as always! Thanks for being at the auto-show and keeping us all in the loop. I can't wait to watch the next couple of years unfold, as I am very excited to see how VW's Electrify Canada/America initiative unfolds. As the infrastructure builds, I'm guessing people will become less hesitant to take the leap on an EV.


      I'm also curious to see if VW applies the MEB platform to more unannounced cars like the Tiguan. The e-golf is still at the top of my list once my finances clear up a bit, hehe.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Daniel Conescu

      Thanks Daniel yes lots of activity and gets more every year.

      about 4 months ago
    • Robin
      Robin

      This vid shows a lot of vehicles that are not yet on the market, and historically, most do not actually get to market. Tesla, which is already head and shoulders above the rest is not shown at all. VW wants everyone to get excited about their concept EVs, and forget about their emissions corruption and recalls of recent past? Why would I buy trendy-branded junk from a company which profits by unethical practices? I wouldn't support them.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Robin

      Hi thanks for watching. I tried to look at new and upcoming cars. Tesla has a display but it’s their current lineup which everyone knows.

      about 4 months ago
    • Simon L
      Simon L

      re 3;15 like to see bit more side batt crumple protection rivian, kona loose the plastic trim panels

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Simon L

      Hi thanks for watching. I'm sure the Rivian vehicles are built with great safety features.

      about 4 months ago
    • Annamarie Bohus
      Annamarie Bohus

      I'm really stoked about the VW too, and love Thomas' enthusiasm. Thanks for another great show, Ken!! :-)

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Annamarie Bohus

      Thanks for watching!

      about 4 months ago
    • Darren E
      Darren E

      Nice video, thanks very much. Looking forward to part #2. I'm a 2018 Leaf SL owner, interested to see what you have on the 2019 Leaf - try to get the price! lol But to be honest my next EV probably won't be a non-actively cooled EV :)

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Darren E

      Hi Darren, thanks for watching and for having and EV already! That's great you have an '18 Leaf. I was not able to get any pricing sorry for the e+ so we will just have to wait and see.

      about 4 months ago
    • Clayton Root
      Clayton Root

      22:03 A Kona NIRO EV??? Bet that will raise some eyebrows at Hyundai/Kia!

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Clayton Root

      Freudian slip!

      about 4 months ago
    • Clayton Root
      Clayton Root

      14:10 I beg to differ. VW has only been coming out with a lot of CONCEPTS, not product! There wasn't a lot of hype before Hyundai/Kia actually launched compact EV's into the marketplace, albeit still not enough to meet global demand. We're still talking years into the future to have decent ranged low cost VW's available to the consumer.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Clayton Root

      Well Clayton, thanks for watching and we will see.

      about 4 months ago
    • Thoughmuchistaken
      Thoughmuchistaken

      Quick look on autotrader.ca shows 11 Kona EVs currently available in Ontario. So they have finally started to show up over the last couple weeks. Around the $54 000 CDN price point.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Thoughmuchistaken

      Thanks, good to see some out now.

      about 4 months ago
    • James Paul
      James Paul

      Thanks for another great video and auto show review Ken. Was there any info from VW on the original ID concept, which was similar to the Golf in size? I thought it was to be the first production vehicle on the MEB platform, rather than the Crozz which appears to be larger, more expensive and a potential Model X competitor. Was there any news from Honda on the urban EV concept production plans, as that should be a very compelling vehicle? Hopefully it makes it to North America in substantial numbers.

      about 4 months ago
    • James Paul
      James Paul In reply to James Paul

      Thanks for clarifying Ken, I must have missed that update on the Neo as I thought North American deliveries would follow before the Crozz. Hopefully the base Crozz model will be affordable as other moderately priced long range EVs have relatively low production volumes currently.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to James Paul

      Hi JP, thanks!. The Neo will be an European release only to start, hence why no info from the Toronto show on that.


      Nothing from Honda on the Urban either.

      about 4 months ago
    • Tim Wallace
      Tim Wallace

      and your still not covering an electric manufacturer from canada? Electrameccanica. Its in our own backyard.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Tim Wallace

      Hi Tim, I did feature them on an older episode of the Model 3 Owners Club Show, when I was still doing that. We had a segment on the Solo and then the Tofino. I've been following them but they are still rolling out limited numbers and awaiting further safety certs to sell into other areas. I can't get out to Vancouver to see them myself and they are not doing car shows, or at least the major ones that I can see.

      about 4 months ago
    • NorthStead Landscaping - North Bay - Callander
      NorthStead Landscaping - North Bay - Callander

      Owning an EV I'm interested to knowing more about this Electrified Canada. I like the look of the VW ID platform however, It took 12 years for Tesla to get it's charging network to an usable level in Canada. I hope VW will able integrate Electrified Canada's charging network into their cars which is what makes Tesla successful as peoples primary vehicle. I think VW is a good decade away to catching up to the likes of Tesla.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to NorthStead Landscaping - North Bay - Callander

      I believe he means in production capabilities for EVs. VW wants to spin up to 1 Million EVs a year production status. We will have to wait and see if they can, but with their size and resources, the certainly have the capability to do that since they already build almost 11 Million cars and light vehicles a year globally.

      about 4 months ago
    • Clayton Root
      Clayton Root In reply to NorthStead Landscaping - North Bay - Callander

      NorthStead Landscaping - North Bay - Callander
      "I think VW is a good decade away to catching up to the likes of Tesla."
      Yeah! And Tesla is just going to sit around doing nothing for that decade while the competition tries to catch up. Guess that Maxwell acquisition was just some kind of brain fart.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to NorthStead Landscaping - North Bay - Callander

      Hi yes, VW's cars will have CCS charging and Electrify Canada stations will support both CHAdeMO and CCS DCFC. There won't be nearly enough like Teslas Superchargers, but it will be good to augment the others that are out and growing (Chargepoint, FLO, etc.).

      about 4 months ago
    • knowledge share
      knowledge share

      I do like the VW car. But then he admits the usual Big Car prototype, but it won't be the same as this, line.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to knowledge share

      Each manufacturer is different so I would not expect them all to do things the same.

      about 4 months ago
    • Clayton Root
      Clayton Root In reply to knowledge share

      @EV Revolution Not much of the stunning interior in the Kia Niro EV concept made it into reality. I wouldn't expect VW to be any different.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to knowledge share

      Possibly, but many of the design and tech features will most likely make it into the full production version.

      about 4 months ago
    • knowledge share
      knowledge share

      KWH should always been written kWh .

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to knowledge share

      Hi, the font I am using for those info lines is an all capital font, but thanks I do know how to write it.

      about 4 months ago
    • Yannick Letourneau
      Yannick Letourneau

      Any news whether canadian government will announce some EV subsidies in the next federal budget?

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Yannick Letourneau

      Hello Yannick, thanks for watching and a great question. At this point, not aware of anything concrete as I am sure promises will be made now that we are in the throws of an election year. It will really depend on who get's in. We will have to wait and see.

      about 4 months ago
    • knowledge share
      knowledge share

      "A dream come true" really ? Not for the rest of us it ain't. What gets me about people like you Kenneth is that you exist inside the kind of infantile mental bubble like the programmed subjects of a totalitarian dystopian Sci Fi movie. Only this is not fiction it is reality. Celebrating RIVIAN surrendering their independence to Bezos/CIA is a mind-boggling disconnect from any politically informed grown-up concern for the world. The concept of RIVIAN has just been destroyed their entire concept was about freedom and heading to the hills for adventure. Only once the heavily CIA and Pentagon connected Bezos gets his Amazon surveillance tech into the RIVIAN vehicle you can kiss living free goodbye. Bezos wants in on RIVIAN so he can eventually take it over and produce disturbing vehicles and robotic hardware for the Pentagon. At which point he will receive a tsunami of tax-payers money to produce EVs for the war-machine while keeping the profits for himself.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to knowledge share

      Hello and thanks for watching as always. Wow, I really don't know how to respond but you are entitled to your opinion, as far fetched as I read it to be. Our planet is a mix of gasses bubble so I guess your point about me (and all of us) living within it is accurate. The rest, well I guess we will see.

      about 4 months ago
    • john guarino
      john guarino

      Great video 👍 l clicked on sharing button for two friends

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to john guarino

      Hi John, much thanks for watching and for subscribing. I appreciate the feedback.

      about 4 months ago
    • DersimLondon
      DersimLondon

      Vw have so much money and they still showing concepts when Hyundai and Kia is there with a car they selling!! I hate concepts, just show the car you will sell not some made up stuff. I loved that concept with sliding doors but what’s the point if it’s not going to sell. Such crap marketing and old school.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to DersimLondon

      Hi and thanks for watching and for commenting. I deleted your second comment as I will not allow swearing on my channel's comments thank you.


      With regards to above, well look, VW has been schilling out big money to fix the mess a very few within the global company created and I am guessing this is the reason they are behind the eight-ball when it comes to electrification. The e-Golf was purely a compliance car. It takes big money to get into this game and at least they are now moving forward with the plans I have discussed on several shows. As I said to another person, pretty well every single car company (and really for any product made) makes concepts. It is part of the process and an important part. So why is everyone picking on VW's concepts? Please put things in perspective. Concepts showcase ideas, designs, technologies and forward thinking for auto manufacturers that usually make it in some form into production model lines.

      about 4 months ago
    • Yacahuma X
      Yacahuma X

      great episode

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Yacahuma X

      Thanks Yacahuma, appreciate the feedback.

      about 4 months ago
    • redxsage
      redxsage

      Good show! Nicely done, Ken!

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to redxsage

      yes it kinda does. why not use parts of a design that work.

      about 3 months ago
    • redxsage
      redxsage In reply to redxsage

      @EV Revolution -- Is it just me, or does the *I.D. CROSS Concept* look a lot like a modernized *Volkswagen SCIROCCO?*

      about 3 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to redxsage

      Merci!

      about 4 months ago
    • Jean-Pierre White
      Jean-Pierre White

      Very informative episode. Thanks a lot!!

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Jean-Pierre White

      Thank you.

      about 4 months ago
    • Anti Petrolhead
      Anti Petrolhead

      Why are we wasting our time with VW. This is a concept already been shown and introduced and it's still a concept. Thank God. I hate that interior.

      about 4 months ago
    • Tag Makers Pet Tags
      Tag Makers Pet Tags In reply to Anti Petrolhead

      @EV Revolution I'll come back and watch. as I have been doing for a while. Great channel, and I really like what you are doing.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Anti Petrolhead

      Tag Makers Pet Tags To your point I’ll try to add some punch in future interviews where applicable. Thanks.

      about 4 months ago
    • Tag Makers Pet Tags
      Tag Makers Pet Tags In reply to Anti Petrolhead

      @EV Revolution Good journalism is not about "attacking" people. (Trump does that). Pressing (possibly awkward and even embarrasing) questions that require substantial (factual) answers are what makes an item more credible and thought-provoking. (Not suggesting your approach is wrong, or poor. I really like your material, which is informative and interesting - but lacks a bit of "punch".
      There is no denying that the legacy automakers have been caught way off-guard by what many have regarded (some still do) as a cheeky usurper (Tesla/Musk) who has had the "temerity" to challenge an entire industry.
      People like Musk don't come around very often - one or two every century or so. When they do emerge, they purport zany, almost crazy ideas much of the time.Or at least they seem crazy to us "common folk".
      Until around mid-2018, most car manufacturers were still of the opinion that Tesla would collapse by year-end (and in reality, it walked a knife-edge from June to October). Had Tesla failed, you can be sure that many legacy manufacturers would have "relaxed" their efforts to build EV's. Nissan and a few others may have plodded along with a small range of "alternative" cars, but no real effort would have been made by any of them to transition to EV.
      The EV concept is anathema to ICE car makers. They are costly to make (and therefore not profitable), require a complete restructuring of the business model, and as they require very little servicing, represent no downstream income for either the manufacturer or the retailer. For the ICE world, EV's are an impediment.
      But these ICE makers are very big businesses, and one thing they do know is that they need to "hedge their bets". So they got their design teams to construct flashy "concept" cars that - in the event Tesla did surprise them - they could wheel out and show off. "Look guys!... We're doing it too, you know!"
      And this is exactly what has happened. From around August/September last year, when it became much clearer that the Model-3 would be a disruptor, we saw a flurry of new "concept" cars being showcased to the market. EVen stuffy old Toyota - a long-time adversary to BEV - has now climbed into bed with Panasonic in a mega $100m deal to focus on (not Hydrogen... Panasonic is not in the hydrogen business) BATTERIES. Why would Toyota do this? Because they now (reluctantly) accept that pure BEV is the route to go. Hydrogen (certainly as a fuel for private cars) is a non-starter.
      Rivals need to be aware of Toyota. My guess is that Toyota is putting big resources into pure BEV (but keeping very silent about it) and if any traditional automaker has the potential to succeed big-time in the EV sphere, it's likely to be Toyota.
      While it is indeed "good" that all traditional automakers are now putting more effort into EV's, we have to acknowledge that they are doing so, not out of choice, but because they are being forced to. To me, this requires us to put severe pressure on them, and hold them to account. We want to see actual cars, not just ideas.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Anti Petrolhead

      Ok, but like I said the more getting into making EVs, the better even if their heart and passion is not into it like Elon's. Of course most manufacturers will not make cars that are not profitable that is nothing new. Except for Compliance Reasons the the CARB/ZEV states in the USA, especially California are big enough reasons to build them.


      I don't believe in any hoodwinking, just a reluctance to change which eventually they will have to move forward or be left behind. Again, this is not a 5-year thing, but a generational change. ICEVs have been the most popular mode of transportation for over 100 years and EVs have 9 years really under their belt. We've got a long way to go and need all of them to get with the program. So why should I attack manufacturers the way you suggest and then be "banished" from talking to them again? That's not my style and if you want Maury Povich reporting, there are other YouTube Channels to watch not mine.


      Thanks for the link I'll check it out.

      about 4 months ago
    • Tag Makers Pet Tags
      Tag Makers Pet Tags In reply to Anti Petrolhead

      @EV Revolution From the outset, Musk has emphisised that Tesla's mission statement (I actually hate these "mission statement" things) is "To acellerate the transition to sustainable energy and transportation". Nowhere in that sentence do we see the word "car" or "automobile".

      The closest statement that could be called VW Group's mission is expressed as the company's goal: “The Group's goal is to offer attractive, safe and environmentally sound vehicles which can compete in an increasingly tough market and set world standards in their respective class.” (Sept 2013). And there is a rather bitter irony in this because this predated the "dieselgate" scandal... So just how sincere VW is in this whole arena is questionable.
      And again... where Tesla sees the broader mission of acellerating a transition in human behaviour, VW talks only about their cars. As I said in a previous post... this whole effort is NOT about cars.

      I would (as an ex journalist) not be shy in really putting these legacy automakers to task, and instead of complimenting them with superficial platitudes (as if we ought to be grateful to them), I would fire some really hard-nosed questions at them about time-lines, production volumes, their costs, their investment in the new technology (as a proportion of revenues), the comparitive elements of their tech vs competitors, and much more besides.

      Audi/Porsche recently undertook a detailed teardown of the Tesla Model-3 (like Sandy Munro does) and were shocked to learn that their platform is not only behind Tesla technically, but also more expensive. They have pumped $2bn into this so far, and some commentators are saying it has delivered little of value - if anything. Audi has admitted that their projections of 600,000 vehicles needed to break-even on this platform is way off. They are taking the whole project back to the drawing boards to see how they can (in a word) catch up with Tesla, both in Tech and in cost efficiency. Effectively, this just delays any meaningful move they need to take in the EV sphere, as Audi has stated unequivocally that they will NOT make cars that are not profitable.

      All this does not bode well for traditional automakers... Their "concept" cars just get back-burnered while they continue to hoodwink the general public about "soon to be launched" vehicles. It's increasingly likely that the Audi Etron will forever remain a "concept" with perhaps a handful rolled off the production line to maintain some "credibility" in the market's eyes.

      If you haven't already seen this, go download RETHINKX report on the future of transportation..
      https://www.rethinkx.com/transportation
      ... it's a good read for an evening.

      about 4 months ago
    • D R-K
      D R-K

      The VW spokesperson was a real SALES MAN. Now lets just sit back and watch for the roll out.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to D R-K

      Hi, yes he was but he is passionate about what they are doing and a real EV enthusiast too. Their roll out will come, not a matter of if but when.

      about 4 months ago
    • andrés .yohai
      andrés .yohai

      "My pension depends on this working" unwittingly he showed his real motivation, more VW B.S. The truth is that
      if manufactured in Germany they can't compete.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to andrés .yohai

      Hello andres, I could not disagree with you more but value your opinion and thank you for watching. You've obviously are missing the bigger picture here so please do some more homework before criticizing VW. Again, who cares why they are moving to mass electrification, as long as they do it. Right now, all signs and work going on points that they are in a big way. Remember, the VW Group is one of the largest auto manufacturers on the planet. They have multiple car companies and divisions.

      about 4 months ago
    • J Larsen
      J Larsen

      Amazon is expanding their delivery service with their purchase of 20,000 trucks from Mercedes-Benz and may be looking for a future option.

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to J Larsen

      Hi J, yes seeing more and more global adoption of short haul commercial uses, including various delivery vans and trucks being electrified for many fleets. I talked about Fed Ex, DHL and more recently UPS in past shows. - just to name a few. It's great to see this as we need fleets big time.

      about 4 months ago
    • Mike Bourke
      Mike Bourke

      Thanks Ken, good stuff as usual. Get on with it VW or Rivian will be snapping at you heels soon

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Mike Bourke

      Hi Mike, thanks for the feedback and for watching! VW is believe me, Rivian won't be snapping at their heels with 40,000 units a year by 2022. VW is expected to do more, however these are great numbers from Rivian if they can do it. With Amazon now jumping in, I'm certain it's not a matter of if, but when.

      about 4 months ago
    • Marc Gratton
      Marc Gratton

      Am waiting. For 2 cars The Mini Cooper clubman EV and Honda sport EV TELL ME MORE PLASE Tku

      about 4 months ago
    • EV Revolution
      EV Revolution In reply to Marc Gratton

      Hi Marc, thanks for watching. I went looking for Mini at the Show but they did not have any EVs there this year, only the hybrid. That was strange since they had the Mini E last year. I did an update report on the Mini E last show, Episode 30!

      about 4 months ago