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4x4 test on rollers - front, side, diagonal & three rollers:
Subaru Forester 2.0 XT CVT S-AWD (X-Mode: ON & OFF)
vs
Jeep Cherokee 3.2 V6 Active Drive I (Auto & Sand/Mud modes)

Comments

    • Mike Schulte
      Mike Schulte

      jesus, you could've used different color cars

      about 3 months ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to Mike Schulte

      Why?

      about 3 months ago
    • TDrew 3
      TDrew 3

      Jeep 👍

      about 5 months ago
    • The Son of Mesopotamia
      The Son of Mesopotamia

      Jeep did steal the tech from others. US cars never been good awd otherwise just look att history

      about 6 months ago
    • Larry Smith
      Larry Smith In reply to The Son of Mesopotamia

      Imbecile. Jeep has never been good at AWD?

      about 4 months ago
    • brandon wright
      brandon wright

      Jeeps system seems to active much quicker

      about 8 months ago
    • blanco negro
      blanco negro

      jeep its good

      about 8 months ago
    • David 18
      David 18

      Subaru with x- mode on and VDC on or off ?

      about 10 months ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to David 18

      David Spain I don't have any plans. If there will be any volunteer with Subaru, then we do a test, so it is all up to Subaru owners :-)

      about 10 months ago
    • David 18
      David 18 In reply to David 18

      duszaniespokojna It would be interesting that the next time you try a subaru you do it with vdc on and off to see the difference When do you plan to try a subaru again? The new xv or example would be very good.

      about 10 months ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to David 18

      David Spain It looks like vdc off allows for keeping the momentum and higher rpm. I think it wouldn't influence roller test much as car is not moving.

      about 10 months ago
    • David 18
      David 18 In reply to David 18

      duszaniespokojna look at the video that I put on you, you can see the diference

      about 10 months ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to David 18

      David Spain I don't know. I think x-mode on should tune the car for maximum performance, without any need of changing others systems.

      about 10 months ago
    • ChopStickZero
      ChopStickZero

      Its amazing how long it still takes. All the suspension or various active security systems in the car react hundred, thousand of times per 1 second while this takes forever. Its baffling to me how it seems there was zero progress here in the last decade, theyre just as fast to react as they used to be.

      about 10 months ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to ChopStickZero

      ChopStickZero There is no real situation where three wheels have 0% grip and one wheel has 100% grip, so such test is just fun.
      Wheel spin - smart systems like Subaru or Suzuki are calculating it, even some 2wd systems have modes which keep the wheels spinning. And this keeps the car moving forward in many conditions.
      Why systems react faster when cars are moving? Cause they already have torque and momentum.

      about 10 months ago
    • ChopStickZero
      ChopStickZero In reply to ChopStickZero

      Its irrelevant whether its fun or not. If youre trying to merge from a standstill and only got grip on one tire, fun is the last thing on your mind. Id say accelerating fast enough to merge is without crashing. Its on par with turbo lag, journalists write how "its not noticable" when in fact it takes forever to spool when youre trying to quickly do something. Same situation but no grip problem, it might seem it reacts fast but in those moments these systems are extremely sllow.
      And also, its not the point just to keep the car moving, the point is efficiency as with all things in engineering. There is no "optimal amount of spin" . The first priority of any vehicle is forward movement.
      And I dont understand why is would react faster when its moving.

      about 10 months ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to ChopStickZero

      ChopStickZero There is one thing missing - it is not the point to eliminate wheel spin. Three spinning wheels and one with traction is just fun, such situation is extremely rare in real conditions. All wheels spinning - yes, that happens and sometimes it is necessary to keep the car moving. In such case, systems must calculate the optimate amount of wheel spin (some cars have separate modes for such behaviour).
      Other thing is that these systems react much faster when car is already moving.

      about 10 months ago
    • ChopStickZero
      ChopStickZero In reply to ChopStickZero

      (sorry,its a bit long)
      think about torque vectoring in mclarens( which is similar prinicple of controling the rotation based on traction), or esps just a decade ago or any suspension system back than compared to now. The computing power is here, the materials are here. Today we have cars that can detect from enironmental factors to surfaces be it texture, material, dips and rises. All, and I mean relative all, all you need here is a proper algoritm combined with surroundings data that would analyse and transfer power faster. There is no need for it to take that long from once you push the pedal to when you begin moving. The moment you push it and the system notices no movement (and this is happening in miliseconds) and slip it should start looking for grip and redirecting torque instead of letting so much slip. If 3 wheels are spinning for 2 seconds why is that necessary? Imagine if ESP worked that slow once you start spinning on the highway. And you can see here that all are programmed to give A LOT of slip before focusing on actual grip. Which is impractical, plus slow and unexperienced drivers start pushing and pulling throttle like you did in older cars to get out of a rut when in newer cars you need to keep it down which makes it take even longer and they remain stuck. I just think theres a lot of room for improvement.

      about 10 months ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to ChopStickZero

      ChopStickZero Why do you think they should react faster? Traction control cannot work like diff locker.

      about 10 months ago
    • Riley Gallagher
      Riley Gallagher

      So basically they’re pretty much the same, Jeep responds quicker in some cases, and X-Mode does absolutely nothing. Long story short, buy whichever one makes you happy.

      about 11 months ago
    • R0tten
      R0tten In reply to Riley Gallagher

      @duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers Thanks so much for this amazing video!!!!!!!!!!!!

      about 7 months ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to Riley Gallagher

      Riley Gallagher Indeed there is no difference with X-mode on and off here, but check the test of Outback.

      about 11 months ago
    • mesut daglar
      mesut daglar

      Both good 👏🏻

      about 11 months ago
    • Yassir Belarabi
      Yassir Belarabi

      According to this channel Jeep and Subaru do have the best AWD/4WD in the world
      That's eye opening.. thanks !

      about 1 year ago
    • TheBrainless
      TheBrainless In reply to Yassir Belarabi

      What about Land Rover Discovery :)

      about 6 months ago
    • brandon wright
      brandon wright In reply to Yassir Belarabi

      Yassir Belarabi awd and 4x4 are different systems you realize this right.

      about 8 months ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to Yassir Belarabi

      Yassir Belarabi Well, I do not judge cause this is static test, showing mainly traction control, however it says a lot. In such case you forgot about Suzuki:https://youtu.be/n-iljij5KQ0

      about 1 year ago
    • Abe
      Abe

      It seems the result is very close ito of how much time for traction control to kick in, but once it does kick in jeep system brakes more aggressively and slows wheels more. Not sure if this will help or hurt if trying to get unstuck. I think it depends on conditions.

      about 1 year ago
    • jbrizz99
      jbrizz99 In reply to Abe

      I think it will be worse because if one side is stopped suddenly then the other side has to start spinning suddenly. If this is too sudden, which I think it might be, it will just break traction and spin instead of moving the vehicle.

      about 1 year ago
    • King Leo
      King Leo

      both great

      about 1 year ago
    • David
      David

      duszaniespokojna
      In a real situation, Subaru with summer tires vs 4x4 with MS tires.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SUsDp0peXg&index=1&list=WL


      Los detalles de la prueba aquí.
      https://www.diariomotor.com/noticia/prueba-todoterreno-discovery-forester-patrol-gr/

      about 1 year ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to David

      David Abril One of the bests, but not the best. Times changed, there is no "the best one" nowadays. Even inside Subaru there are many awd systems, so in fact saying "the best" means nothing.

      about 1 year ago
    • David 18
      David 18 In reply to David

      duszaniespokojna
      If you study science you will learn that the results obtained in laboratory studies and those obtained in field studies are different. Subaru has shown multiple times that in real situations it is the best.

      about 1 year ago
    • David 18
      David 18 In reply to David

      duszaniespokojna Taking into account the tires used Subaru has once again shown that it is the best in real situations.

      about 1 year ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to David

      David A Subaru is great in such conditions, but it wasn't going the same way as Nissan, Land Rover was going way to slow, so it is objective comparison. Do you think other modern awd systems wouldn't handle that?

      about 1 year ago
    • Lycras
      Lycras

      Hi duszaniespokojna! Do AR Stelvio on 3 and 2 rollers if you can of course ;) Wonder how their Q4 compares.

      about 1 year ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to Lycras

      Lycras Stelvio coming soon, probably in April :-)

      about 1 year ago
    • Johnny St.
      Johnny St.

      Hello there. One question. The previous generation of the Subaru forester about the awd system I mean, was better from the new one or is Exactly the same??

      about 1 year ago
    • John Farel
      John Farel In reply to Johnny St.

      Basically the same. Manual transmissions have in the past gone with a 50x50 torque split front rear whereas cvt transmissions are 60x40 front rear. Since 2014, I think, x-mode is also an option which improves the awd capability in some conditions

      about 1 year ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to Johnny St.

      Christos Mak I have no idea, maybe Subaru users may answer this question :-)

      about 1 year ago
    • suba600
      suba600

      Try this with a jeep to see wich awd system is better overall not only on rollers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqYFFHMYX9g

      about 1 year ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to suba600

      Ramen For Life No problem, be my guest :)

      about 1 year ago
    • Tuy Hòa Phú Yên
      Tuy Hòa Phú Yên In reply to suba600

      @ duszaniespokojna....No, I don't need translate... My bad.

      about 1 year ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to suba600

      Ramen For Life Probably. Do you need any translation?

      about 1 year ago
    • Tuy Hòa Phú Yên
      Tuy Hòa Phú Yên In reply to suba600

      Are both Suba600 & duszarepokojna speaking Vietnamese?

      about 1 year ago
    • duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers
      duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers In reply to suba600

      suba600 I know dccd very well and I see you have completely no idea what's inside Evo. Read about and you will see...
      And we are not talking about our skills here, but about awd systems.
      Did I write that rwd is faster? Where? I wrote that old masters were taking such corners much faster with rwd cars. Not a word about any snow climbing etc. - there Subaru is great, but at the same time it has one of the worst results in moose tests, S-AWD isn't helping at all.

      about 1 year ago
    • SubaruOutbackBoxer
      SubaruOutbackBoxer

      Subaru, still the best awd :) .

      about 1 year ago
    • Samuel Lavoie
      Samuel Lavoie In reply to SubaruOutbackBoxer

      Grand cherokee is better. faster. subaru is like an old 2002 grand cherokee

      about 3 months ago
    • Patrick Woodmency
      Patrick Woodmency In reply to SubaruOutbackBoxer

      That's the base awd system for the Cherokee. With active drive lock it will roll right off

      about 4 months ago
    • TDrew 3
      TDrew 3 In reply to SubaruOutbackBoxer

      上田洋介 not against the track hawk or the new 2.0 turbo Jeep has

      about 5 months ago
    • EGGINFOOLS
      EGGINFOOLS In reply to SubaruOutbackBoxer

      @duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers He didn't respond to this question because he's biased.

      about 8 months ago
    • brandon wright
      brandon wright In reply to SubaruOutbackBoxer

      SubaruOutbackBoxer yeah because jeeps are 4x4 not awd fucking moron two different systems.

      about 8 months ago